Response to No Hatred in Vedas Part II

Continued from Response to No Hatred in Vedas Part I

VERSE:

There are several mantras in Vedas that called God a fraud (Mayavi). Swami Dayanand suggests that one should use fraud to defeat enemies. So Vedic God is a cheater.

ऋग्वेद में अनेक जगह इन्द्र को मायी (धोकेबाज़) कहा गया हे. उदाहरण के तोर पर देखिये ऋग्वेद १:११:७

मायाभिरिन्द्र मायिनं तवं शुष्णमवातिरः |
विदुष टे तस्य मेधिरास्तेषां शरवांस्युत तिर ||

“हे इन्द्रदेव ! अपनी माया द्वारा आपने ‘शुषण’ को पराजित किया. जो बुद्धिमान आपकी इस माया को जानते हैं, उन्हें यश और बल देकर वृद्धि प्रदान करें.”

इस मंत्र का भावार्थ स्वामी दयानंद जी इस प्रकार करते हैं.

“बुद्धिमान मनुष्यों को ईश्वर आगया देता है कि- साम, दाम, दंड और भेद की युक्ति से दुष्ट और शत्रु जनों क़ी निवृत्ति करके चक्रवर्ति राज्य क़ी यथावत उन्नति करनी चाहिए’’
पंडित जी, साम, दाम, दंड और भेद को तो आप जानते ही होंगे.
साम : बहलाना फुसलाना
दाम : धन देकर चुप कराना
दंड : यदि बहलाने फुसलाने से न माने तो ताड़ना करना
भेद : फूट डालना

इसके अतिरिक्त ऋग्वेद ४:१६:९ में दयानादं जी नें भी अपने भाष्य में ‘मायावान’ का अनुवाद मक्कार किया है. पंडित जयदेव शर्मा (आर्य समाजी) ने अपने ऋग्वेद भाष्य में ‘मायावान’ का अनुवाद कुटिल मायावी किया है. तो सिद्ध हो गया कि वैदिक ईश्वर मायी अर्थात धोकेबाज़ है.


FANATITC’S ANALYSIS:

We are not sure of the source of first translation quoted by the fanatic brigade. But let us review the complete essence provided by Swami Dayanand. It states:

 “बुद्धिमानमनुष्योंकोईश्वरआगयादेताहैकि- साम, दाम, दंडऔरभेदकीयुक्तिसेदुष्टऔरशत्रुजनोंक़ीनिवृत्तिकरकेचक्रवर्तिराज्यक़ीयथावतउन्नतिकरनीचाहिएतथाजैसेइससंसारमेंकपटी, छलीऔरदुष्टपुरुषवृद्धिकोप्राप्तनहो, वैसाउपायनिरंतरकरनाचाहिए

So it is clear that the likes of Osama Bin Laden and perpetrators of genocide be destroyed through all means. To catch a criminal, police is allowed to use fake decoys. All civilized societies allow use of such means to destroy criminals and terrorists. Hitler was captured in his bunker. Osama was eliminated in a night operation. Many a criminals are caught by police through this method. If criminals be allowed to freely use fraud but we do not counter them with Bheda (tact), then soon whole world will be Somalia!

Thankfully such stupid concepts do not appeal to most civilized nations of the world, and hence world is still a sensible place to live!

But to ensure that one does not misinterpret such mantras to justify crookedness in general, Vedas also clearly specify that all innocent peaceful persons be protected at all costs. For example the 3rd mantra of same Sukta emphasizes that peaceful people be not only protected but one should also put special efforts to increase their prosperity under all circumstances.

In brief, Vedas recommend exactly what is the ideal benchmark for any civilized country of today.

The translation of Rigveda 4.16.9 as per Dayanand’s commentary is available on Arya Samaj Jamnagar site. There is not even remotest reference to Supreme Lord being fraud or Makkar or Mayavi as alleged by the fanatics. We also checked 5 other publications but failed to find such an interpretation anywhere.

On contrary, the Mantra asserts that the king should constantly increase prosperity of peaceful noble people and destroy the terrorists who commit fraud and hatred.

The controversial word here is Mayavanabrahma (मायावनब्रह्मा) = Mayavan + Abrahma (मायावान +अब्रह्मा). So instead of calling Brahma as Mayavan (fraud), the mantra calls Abrahma (or those devoid of intellect or opposite of Brahma) as fraud. The next word used for them is Dasyu (दस्यु) making the meaning very clear – Those who use fraud, hate intellect and perform terrorism should be destroyed.

MY RESPONSE:

Here is the translation of Rig Veda 1.11.7 by Shri Ram Sharma


Pandit Jaydev Sharma translates Maya as crooked/devious wisdom.

Capellar’s Sanskrit dictionary gives the following meanings

Maya – supernatural or wonderful power, wile, trick, deceit, sorcery, illusion, phantom, unreality (ph.); — being only in appearance, a feigned or phantom –(cf. seq.).

S.V Apte, in his English-Sanskrit Dictionary 3rd edition[1920] in pages 94, 99 and 173 gives the following meanings for the word

Maya/Mayin- Fraud, Fraudelent, Deception, Deceptive, Delusion

Besides Dayanand also gave similar definition to the word Maya, So this suggests that Vedic God Indra is indeed a Fraud. The author writes,

Had fanatic minds known even the basics of Sandhi (rules of joining of words) in Hindi or Sanskrit, they would not have committed such a blunder

Is he acknowledging the fact that Arya Samaj scholars are fanatics? Because the word Mayavan in Rig Veda 4.16.9 is translated by Pandit Jaydev Sharma (Arya Samaj) as Kutil Mayavi. The writer is juggling so much, Mushafiq Sultan gave reference to Rig Veda 4.16.9 only to show that the word Mayavi or Maya is translated by Dayanand as crooked wisdom, here is what Dayanand translated,

Capture

Finally the writer has accepted that the word Mayavi means Fraud, he should once again read Rig Veda 1.11.7 which calls Indra as Mayavi. He is not able to explain the main verse Rig Veda 1.11.7 which clearly calls Indra as Fraud, this is why he has skipped that verse and jumping to Rig Veda 4.16.9. Read the article Hindu god is a cheater for more information. The writer is giving his personal definition to the words. As for the word Abraha, he is mistranslated it also. He also writes ” For example the 3rd mantra of same Sukta emphasizes that peaceful people be not only protected but one should also put special efforts to increase their prosperity under all circumstances

This verse is also mistranslated by the writer, the verse is

Rig Veda 4.16.3 When the Bull, quaffing, praises our Iibation, as a sage paying holy rites in secret, Seven singers here from heaven hath he begotten, who e’en by day have wrought their works while singing.


He is misinterpreting Mulshankar’s words also, he translated Bhed as Tact, correct definition would be Polarizing or Dividing. He is forging Dayanand’s commentary by mixing all his lines, let’s read once more what Dayanand wrote,

बुद्धिमान मनुष्यों को ईश्वर आगया देता है कि- साम, दाम, दंड और भेद की युक्ति से दुष्ट और शत्रु जनों क़ी निवृत्ति करके चक्रवर्ति राज्य क़ी यथावत उन्नति करनी चाहिए’’

Dayanand has divided the words Dusht and Shatru (Enemy) by adding the word Aur (And), that means you have to use those tricks like corrupting, Polarizing, Luring and beating not just on Dusht but also on your Enemies. Here the word Dusht doesn’t mean wicked as usually spoken, but in Vedas the wicked is the one who rejects Vedas, Dayanand in Rig Veda 4.16.9 translated Dasyu as Dusht.


It is already established that all the people living outside Aryavrata or those who doesn’t follow Vedas are Dasyus. And Sam, Dam, Bhed are meaningless when dealing with terrorists because terrorists deserve only punishment, then why does it say to lure with money if its about dealing with terrorist? Can Vedas be word of god which tells to Polarize, Corrupt, Lure or beat your enemies? The word of God never teaches such evil things, Messengers gave an example by forgiving their staunch enemies, If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, you should turn to them your other cheek also.

VERSE:

Vedas provide no option of divorce for women and force them to tolerate the husband regardless of his deeds. Its the Hindu Law that allows divorce rights to women.

हिन्दू विवाह अधिनियम,१९५५ के अनुसार विशेष स्थितियों में, यथा दुष्ट स्वभाव, मूर्ख, व्यभिचारी, नामर्द होने पर स्त्री अपने पति को तलाक़ दे सकती है. लेकिन हिन्दू धर्म में तलाक़ का कोई प्रावधान नहीं है. पति चाहे दुष्ट स्वभाव वाला, मूर्ख, और रोगी हो तब भी स्त्री नहीं छोड़ सकती. उसे अपने ही पति के साथ जीना और मरना है.

FANATIC’S ANALYSIS:

If divorce is so much against Hinduism, what made Hindus themselves adopt such a law for themselves? As per Hindu law, a woman need not seek permission from husband for divorce. But as per Islamic Laws, a women can opt only for Khula – request for divorce. The husband may or may not accept it. His decision is final. Countries like Saudi Arab have stopped Khula since several years and hence women there have no options.

 Kindly cite one single mantra from Vedas that asserts that woman cannot leave her husband under any circumstance

MY RESPONSE:

The writer is only showing his insecurity by mocking other religions without clarifying the question. Hindu law is created by the Government of India, as far as the Hindu scripture is concerned there is not a single verse which allows a woman to divorce. This is why the writer has not quoted any verse and behaving like a frustrated kid. Maharishi Manu clearly wrote,

Manu Smriti 9.65 In the sacred texts which refer to marriage the appointment (of widows) is nowhere mentioned, nor is the remarriage of widows prescribed in the rules concerning marriage.

Dayanand Saraswati also did not prescribe widow remarriage, He preferred Niyoga as alternative, So it is clear that Hindu scripture do not support women remarriage.The most authentic Smriti of Arya Samaj states (which the writer hasn’t quoted),

Manu Smriti 5.154. Though destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere), or devoid of good qualities, (yet) a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife.

Read the article Is widow remarriage permitted in Hinduism? for more information. Can he provide any evidence to show that Saudi government has stopped Khula? The Hadith mentioned in Sahih Bukhari, book Divorce 63, hadith no 197 states that wife of Thabit Bin Qais took Khula without any hassle. If the Husband is not willing to divorce then the Arbitrary committee or Judicial/Sharia court will enforce the divorce which is evident from the same chapter Hadith no 198 of Sahih Bukhari. Also read Sunan Abu Dawud, book 11, Hadis 2091 which clearly enables a woman to exercise her choice.

VERSE:

“धर्म के द्वेषी शत्रुओं को निरंतर जलाइए. नीची दशा में करके सूखे काठ के समान जलाइए.” [यजुर्वेद १३/१२]

स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती ऋग्वेद १/७/४ के भावार्थ में लिखते हैं

“परमेश्वर का यह स्वभाव है कि युद्ध करने वाले धर्मात्मा पुरुषों पर अपनी कृपा करता है और आलसियों पर नहीं. जो मनुष्य जितेन्द्रिय विद्वान आलस्य को छोड़े हुए बड़े बड़े युद्धों को जीत के प्रजा को निरंतर पालन करते हैं, वो ही महाभाग्य को प्राप्त होके सुखी रहते हैं.”

FANATIC’S ANALYSIS:

Yet another foolish allegation. It has been made amply clear as what is Dharma and whom does Vedas extol to fight against. The Vedic message is that Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah – Non-violence is the greatest religion. Refer Chapter 2 of Upadesh Manjari by same Swami Dayanand Saraswati who is being quoted.

So those who are terrorists are enemies of Dharma and deserve to be destroyed with iron hand. And those who do not do so bring miseries to themselves and their nation. If what USA did against Osama Bin Laden or what India did against Pakistan in Indo-Pak wars or what Shivaji did against Afzal Khan and Aurangzeb or NSG heroes did against terrorists in Taj Mumbai is indeed wrong, then yes Vedas do urge us to not sit idle and indulge in such wrongs. The only condition (as mentioned before) is that no innocent/ peaceful person should be made a victim. But of course, fanatics like Al Qaeda would hate to accept that others shall also resist their terror attacks with iron hand!

MY RESPONSE:

Why is he talking about terrorists so much? Is he forcing the Oxford University Press to change the definition of Terrorist as ‘those who do not follow Vedas’?

However, here is another translation of Arya Samaj

Yajur Veda 13.12 ”O king, make progress in thy duty of administration, extend happiness to the virtuous. O terrible chastiser, burn down the irreligious foes. O splendid person, humiliate and consume utterly like dried up stubble, him, who encourages our foe.” Tr. Devi Chand

Hinduism was not even a religion before the advent of other religions, it was the monopoly of high caste Brahmins who could introduce new verses to satisfy their whims. Just as slaughtering animal in Yajna is non violence similarly slaying disbelievers is also non violence and duty of the Vedic followers. Read the article Killing Infidels in Vedas to see the violent passages of Vedas. Yajur Veda 13.12 clearly states about killing disbelievers, but the writer won’t digest this truth due to his extreme hypocrisy. He considers Shivaji the plunderer as freedom fighter. Should I remind him of Shivaji’s Surat loot?

VERSE:

आर्य समाज का यह दावा कि वेद ईश्वर् की वाणी है, या एक इल्हामी ग्रन्थ है, पूरी तरह से गलत है. वेदों का अध्यन करने से पता चलता है कि वे ऋषियों द्वारा बनाये गए हैं. इस विषय का पूरा विवरण करना यहाँ संभव नहीं है, लेकिन में कुछ प्रमाण आपके सामने प्रस्तुत करता हूँ-
तैतीरीय ब्रह्मण २/८/८/५ में लिखा है “बुद्धिमान ऋषि मन्त्रों के बनाने वाले हैं.”
इसके अतिरिक्त इस बात के स्पष्ट प्रमाण मिलते हैं समयसमय पर वेदों के नए नए मंत्र बनते रहे रहे हैं और वे पहले बने संग्रहों (संहिताओं अथवा वेदों) में मिलाये जाते रहे हैं. खुद वेदों में ही इस बात के प्रमाण मिलते हैं-

१. ऋग्वेद १/१०९/२
अथा सोमस्य परयती युवभ्यामिन्द्राग्नी सतोमं जनयामि नव्यम ||
अर्थात “हे इन्द्र और अग्नि, तुम्हारे सोम्प्रदानकाल में पठनीय एक नया स्तोत्र रचता हूँ.”
२. ऋग्वेद ४/१६/२१ अकारि ते हरिवो बरह्म नव्यं धिया अर्थात “हे हरि विशिष्ठ इन्द्र, हम तुम्हारे लिए नए स्तोत्र बनाते हैं.

३. ऋग्वेद ७/२२/९
ये च पूर्व रषयो ये च नूत्ना इन्द्र बरह्माणि जनयन्त विप्राः |

अर्थात “हे इन्द्रदेव, प्राचीन एवं नवीन ऋषियों द्वारा रचे गए स्तोत्रों से स्तुत्य होकर आपने जिस प्रकार उनका कल्याण किया, वैसे ही हम स्तोताओं का मित्रवत कल्याण करें.”

स्पष्ट है कि इन नए स्तोत्रों व मन्त्रों के रचयित साधारण मानव थे, जिन्होंने पूर्वजों द्वारा रचे मन्त्रों के खो जाने पर या उनके अप्रभावकारी सिद्ध हों पर या उन्हें परिष्कृत करने या अपनी नयी रचना रचने के उद्देश से समयसमय पर नए मंत्र रचे.

इसलिए वेद सर्वज्ञ परमात्मा की रचना सिद्ध नहीं होते.

FANATIC’S RESPONSE:

It hardly matters if someone believes Vedas to be divine or not. Because Vedic God will not put him in Hell for blasphemy nor promise a paradise full of harlots for obedience. The Vedic Law of Karma is much more robust, comprehensive, just and rigorous.

MY RESPONSE:

Arya Samajis usually resort to mocking other religions when they fail to explain Vedas. Vedas are not the words of God, it’s a fact which may be extremely hard to digest, you can find more information in this article written by Mushafiq Textual Corruption in Vedas.

Even Hindu scholars believe that Vedas are corrupted so there is not use to follow it, read the article Hindu scriptures battle of supremacy written by Hindu scholar Swami B.V. Giri. By the way which version of Veda is the writer following? Vedas award death penalty for Blasphemy,

Atharva Veda 12.2.23 He who dwells fixed in the atmosphere, smiting the blasphemers of the god that do not sacrifice to him be reverence with ten Sakvari-stanzas.


The writer should thoroughly study his Vedas, he is unaware of the Apsara (nymph) concept, Illicit relation with widow besides women and prostitutes are created for lust and sex as per the Yajur Vedas. So instead of using such derogatory words against other religions he should check it first with his Vedas. I recommend him reading the article Vedic Paradise: An Overview

VERSE:

विश्व के धर्मों में हिन्दू धर्म ही एक ऐसा धर्म है जिस में सामाजिक भेद-भाव के बीज शुरू से ही विद्यमान रहे हैं. हिन्दू धर्म सामाजिक भेद भाव को न केवल धर्म द्वारा अनुमोदित करता है, बल्कि इस धर्म का प्रारंभ ही भेद भाव के पाठ से होता है. हिन्दू धर्म ने शुरू से ही मानव मानव के बीच भेद किया. ऋग्वेद के पुरुषसूक्त ने स्पष्ट कहा कि “ब्राह्मण परमात्मा के मुख से, क्षत्रिय उस कि भुजाओं से, वैश्य उस के उरू से तथा शूद्र उस के पैरों से पैदा हुए.”
बराह्मणो.अस्य मुखमासीद बाहू राजन्यः कर्तः |
ऊरूतदस्य यद वैश्यः पद्भ्यां शूद्रो अजायत ||
[ऋग्वेद १०/९०/१२]

FANATIC’S ANALYSIS:

If there is one text in the world that talks of pure meritocracy, it is the Vedas. But those on gun-point have no option but to keep abusing Vedas regardless of facts.

The current Manu Smriti is an adulterated literature

On contrary, if we look at available translations of scriptures like Bible and Quran, they smell of racism and hatred against non-believers. They call for special tax on non-believers and condemn them to eternal Hell.

They call for special tax on non-believers and condemn them to eternal Hell. Many enlightened Christians and Muslims are thus attempting to reinterpret these texts but they are termed as apostates by the fanatics. Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, founder of Aligarh Muslim University, was decreed a fatwa of death for his liberal views on these issues. Galileo was imprisoned for proving that earth is round and sun does not move around earth!

MY RESPONSE:

There is no need to say which scripture preaches hatred, it is clearly seen from the behavior of Arya Samajis and their incapability in explaining the violent and barbaric Vedic verses, and it is Arya Samaji who is reinterpreting the scriptures. This writer who claims to be a Arya Samaji is defying his guru Dayanand Saraswati according to whom Manu Smriti was alone authentic Smriti (pg 148 Satyarth Prakash), Dayanand used more than 200 verses from Manu Smriti in his book Satyarth Prakash. Have a look at the words used by Dayayand Saraswati against other religions,

‘What a nice trap have the Jainees set to attract fools who would like nothing better than to be placed in the way of attaining salvation without having to do (righteous) deeds. We do not think that there exists a religion more idiotic than this.”- Satyarth Prakash, by Dayanand Saraswati, page 559, Tr. Chiranjiva Bhardwaja.

These people [Buddhists] have come to believe in such stupid things by rejecting the Veda and God.”- Satyarth Prakash, by Dayanand Saraswati, page 517-18, Tr. Chiranjiva Bhardwaja.

God of other religions does not command to kill people just because they make no offerings to him. Moreover Arya Samaj is criticized by many Hindus for its fundamentalism which is evident from their bible of hate called Satyarth Prakash and the attitude of Arya Samajis which is much worse than savages.

”in this Age of Kali a community has sprung up known as the Arya Samaj, who members are ignorant of the import of the Vedas in the paramparā system. They decry all bona fide ācāryas and pose themselves as the real followers of the Vedic principles, but in fact such non-Āryans do not follow the Vedic principles.”- A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (ISKON) [Source]

The Arya Samajis can go to any extent of hypocrisy, They proudly promote their hatred but physically attack others when their beliefs and ideologies are exposed, here is an example http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/3-killed-100-injured-in-Rohtak-ashram-clash/articleshow/20020428.cms

VERSE:

सृष्टि के आरम्भ में मनुष्यों के जवान जवान टपक जाने के अतिरिक्त कई और चमतारिक घटनाओं का विवरण वेदों में मिलता है. उदाहरण के लिए देखिये-
१. ऋग्वेद ३/३३/५ में विश्वामित्र जी ने मंत्र पढ़ कर सतलुज और ब्यास नदियों को खड़ा कर दिया था. सुनिए-
रमध्वं मे वचसे सोम्याय रतावरीरुप मुहूर्तमेवैः |
पर सिन्धुमछा बर्हती मनीषावस्युरह्वे कुशिकस्य सूनुः ||

अर्थात “हे जलवती नदियों, आप हमारे नम्र और मधुर वचनों को सुन कर अपनी गति को एक क्षण के लिए विराम दे दें. हम कुशक पुत्र अपनी रक्षा के लिए महती स्तुतियों द्वारा आप नदियों का भली प्रकार सम्मान करते हैं.”

निरुक्त २/२४ से २६ में इस मंत्र का स्पष्ट अर्थ बताया गया है. अब ऋग्वेद के इस मंत्र में आपके लिए दो प्रश्न हैं. यहाँ, ऋषि विश्वामित्र सीधे सीधे नदियों को संबोधित कर रहे हैं, नदियों से बातें कर रहे हैं. इस को आप क्या कहें गे? और केवल ऋषि विश्वामित्र के मंत्र जपने से ही वे नदियाँ कैसे ठहर गयीं.

२. ऋग्वेद ४/१९/९ के अनुसार दीमक द्वारा खाए गए कुँवारी के बेटे को इन्द्र ने फिर से जीवित किया और सारे अंगों को इकट्ठे करदिया.
वम्रीभिः पुत्रम अग्रुवो अदानं निवेशनाद धरिव आ जभर्थ |
वय अन्धो अख्यद अहिम आददानो निर भूद उखछित सम अरन्त पर्व ||

अर्थात “हे इन्द्रदेव, आपने दीमकों द्वारा भक्ष्यमान ‘अग्रु के पुत्र को उनके स्थान (बिल) से बाहर निकाला. बाहर निकाले जाते समय अंधे ‘अग्रु’-पुत्र ने आहि (सर्प) को भली प्रकार देखा. उसके बाद चींटियों द्वारा काटे गए अंगों को आपने (इन्द्रदेव ने) संयुक्त किया (जोड़ा).”

३. ऋग्वेद ४/१८/२ में वामदेव ऋषि ने मां के पेट में से इन्द्रदेव से बात की-
नाहम अतो निर अया दुर्गहैतत तिरश्चता पार्श्वान निर गमाणि |
बहूनि मे अक्र्ता कर्त्वानि युध्यै तवेन सं तवेन पर्छै ||

अर्थात वामदेव कहते हैं, “हम इस योनिमार्ग द्वारा नहीं निर्गत होंगे. यह मार्ग अत्यंत दुर्गम है. हम बगल के मार्ग से निकलेंगे. अन्यों के द्वारा करने योग्य अनेकों कार्य हमें करने हैं. हमें एक साथ युद्ध करना है, तथा एक के साथ वाद-विवाद करना है.”

४. अथर्ववेद ४/५/६-७ चोर के लिए ऐसे मंत्र हैं जिनको जपने से घर के सारे सदस्य सो जाते हैं और चोर बड़े आराम से चोरी कर सकता है.

स्वप्तु माता स्वप्तु पिता स्वप्तु क्ष्वा स्वप्तु विश्पतिः |
स्वपन्त्वस्यै ज्ञातयः स्वपत्वयमभितो जनः ||
स्वप्न स्वप्नाभिकरणेन सर्वं नि ष्वापया जनम |
ओत्सूर्यमन्यान्त्स्वापयाव्युषं जागृतादहमिन्द्र इवारिष्टो अक्षितः ||

अर्थात “माँ सो जाए, पिता सो जाए, कुत्ता सो जाए, घर का स्वामी सो जाए, सभी बांधव एवं परिकर के सब लोग सो जाएं. हे स्वप्न के अधिष्ठाता देव, स्वप्न के साधनों द्वारा आप समस्त लोगों को सुला दें तथा अन्य लोगों को सूर्योदय तक निद्रित रखें. इस प्रकार सबके सो जाने पर हम इन्द्र के सामान, अहिंसित तथा क्षयरहित होकर प्रातःकाल तक जागते रहे.”

FANATIC’S ANALYSIS:

Readers are advised to refer to any relevant source for actual meanings as provided by Swami Dayanand. Of course there can be alternate meanings as well, but you would have to work really hard to lower your intellect in order to discover stupid miracles in a scientific text like Vedas.

 Rigveda 3.33.5: Just as wide rivers full of water reach their goal by meeting with ocean, similarly intellectual pursuits bring peace and happiness to those willing to be followers of intelligence.

 Rigveda 4.19.9: Just as rivers emerging from mountains acquire the lands of the plains, similarly the king should snatch away property rights of a son who does not believe in charity. In all situations, king should work for prosperity of the subject.

 Rigveda 4.18.2 O Lord, may I not come through the way of womb which is very painful. May I do such actions that I need not take this path again and I get free from cycle of death and birth. I shall put my best efforts for this.

 Atharvaveda 4.5.6-7 Which fool said that this contains a mantra to recite so that thieves sleep? It simply states that everyone should have a peaceful sleep in night. However the guard should keep vigil till others get awake.

 This mantra says that guards should not sleep in night and soldiers at borders with fanatic country should also keep vigil.

MY RESPONSE:

The writer is behaving like a hypocrite now. He is begging to use authentic source, I wonder why didn’t he use Arya Samaj translation for Yajur 13.12, Atharva Veda 12.5.62, 20.93.1 etc.,? The translation of Rig Veda 3.33.5 is grossly incorrect, let me quote the translation from a Arya Samaji,

”[The sage speaks] I, the disciple of an enlightened teacher, having acquired necessary knowledge, now desirous of protection, solicit your favour and address with earnest prayer to you the rivers before me. O rivers, charged with water, rest a moment from your course at my request.”- Rig Veda 3.33.5, Tr. SatyaPrakash Saraswati, p.1175, Vol 4.

Yaska Acharya writes: ”The seer Visvamitra was the domestic priest of Sudas, the son of Pijavana. Visva-mitra, friend of all…He, i.e. Visvamitra, implored the rivers to become fordable. (He addressed them) in the dual as well as in the plural number.”- Nirukta 2.24

It is further mentioned,

”Stop your courses for a moment, ye great floods, at my friendly bidding. I, the son of Kusika, and desirous of protection, invoke the river with a sublime hymn.[Rig Veda 3.33.5]…I call upon the river with a great…”- Nirukta 2.23

The question is that, in this verse Viswamitra is speaking to rivers moreover does rivers stop flowing just by his command? The writer has failed to answer this question and making vulgar remarks on other religions (which I have not mentioned here).

Rig Veda 4.19.9 Lord of Bay Steeds [Indra], thou broughtest from the ant-hill the unwedded damsel’s son whom ants were eating. The blind saw clearly, as he grasped the serpent, rose, brake the jar his joints again united.


Rig Veda 4.18.2 Not [from this womb] this way go I forth: hard is the passage. Forth from the side obliquely will I issue. Much that is yet undone must I accomplish; one must I combat and the other question.


It would be good if the writer gives the explanation of Atharva Veda 4.5.6-7 from Nirukta or other early commentaries.

VERSE:

यदि अग्नि ऋषि को, आप के अनुसार, ईश्वर ने ऋग्वेद दिया तो आदित्य ऋषि को सामवेद क्यूँ दिया? क्या ऋग्वेद में कोई कमी रह गयी थी जो सामवेद देना पड़ा? सामवेद तो ऋग्वेद मंडल ९ की पूरी नक़ल है. सिवाय ७५ मन्त्रों के जो नए हैं, सामवेद के १८०० मंत्र ऋग्वेद में पहले से हैं. ये ७५ मंत्र भी अग्नि को क्यों नहीं दिए? यदि ये कहा जाए कि सामवेद के मंत्र गाने के लिए अलग किये गए हैं तो ऋग्वेद में लिखा जा सकता था कि मंडल ९ को गा लिया करो. इसके अतिरिक्त यजुर्वेद और अथर्ववेद भी व्यर्थ हैं जिन में एक बड़ा हिस्सा ऋग्वेद से लिया गया है. क्या अग्नि ऋषि को ऋग्वेद देते समय आपके ईश्वर भूल गए थे कि उसे सामवेद, यजुर्वेद और अथर्ववेद भी देना है?

FANATIC’S ANALYSIS:

The 4 Vedas have 4 different themes. Rigveda is analytical and focuses on knowledge. Yajurveda is practical and focuses on actions. Samaveda is devotional and focuses on emotional intelligence. Atharvaveda is implementation-oriented. All 4 require different faculties and hence provided to different Rishis. Overlap of mantras does not mean anything. The same sentence indifferent contexts bring out different meanings. Further with different tones, meaning changes completely.

Only fools will claim that all duplicate sentences and equations from any text book be removed!

MY RESPONSE:

Most of the verses and hymns of Sama Veda are taken from Rig Veda, So why were Sama Veda’s (Emotional intelligence) passages taken from Rig Veda (focuses on knowledge )? Was Ishwar confused as where to add the emotional or knowledge verses so he mixed them in both books? Furthermore, several Rig Veda and Atharva Veda verses are also same. What was the necessity of adding it in Atharva Veda when it was already present in Rig Veda? Can the writer give some examples from the repetitive verses which has completely different meaning?

It’s not possible to quote all the repetitive verses, so I will quote few, The entire hymn of Atharva Veda 20.5 which has total number of 7 verses are taken from Rig Veda 8.17.7-13. Atharva Veda 20.45 the entire hymn which has 3 verses is taken from Rig Veda 1.30.4-6.

Atharva Veda 20.95 has 4 verses out of which 3 verses are taken from Rig Veda 10.133.1-3, Did Ishwar forgot to add the first verse of Atharva Veda 20.95 in the  Rig Veda that he later rectified it?

Sama Veda book 1, chapter 1, 3 Soma Pavamana has total 3 verses which are taken from Rig Veda 9.66.10-12. There are numerous repetitive hymns and verses and all of them delivers the same meaning.

VERSE:

ऋग्वेद में आता है कि मित्र और वरुण देवता उर्वशी नामक अप्सरा को देख कर कामपीडित हुए. उन का वीर्य स्खलित हो गया, जिसे उन्होंने यज्ञ कलश में दाल दिया. उसी कलश से अगस्त्य और वसिष्ठ उत्पन्न हुए:

उतासि मैत्रावरुणो वसिष्ठोर्वश्या बरह्मन मनसो.अधि जातः |
दरप्सं सकन्नं बरह्मणा दैव्येन विश्वे देवाः पुष्करे तवाददन्त ||
स परकेत उभयस्य परविद्वान सहस्रदान उत वा सदानः |
यमेन ततं परिधिं वयिष्यन्नप्सरसः परि जज्ञे वसिष्ठः ||
सत्रे ह जाताविषिता नमोभिः कुम्भे रेतः सिषिचतुः समानम |
ततो ह मान उदियाय मध्यात ततो जातं रषिमाहुर्वसिष्ठम ||

– ऋग्वेद ७/३३/११-१३

अर्थात “हे वसिष्ठ, तुम मित्र और वरुण के पुत्र हो. हे ब्रह्मण, तुम उर्वशी के मन से उत्पन्न हो. उस समय मित्र और वरुण का वीर्य स्खलन हुआ था. विश्वादेवगन ने दैव्य स्तोत्र द्वारा पुष्कर के बीच तुम्हें धारण किया था. यज्ञ में दीक्षित मित्र और वरुण ने स्तुति द्वारा प्रार्थित हो कर कुंभ के बीच एकसाथ ही रेत (वीर्य) स्खलन किया था. अनंतर मान (अगस्त्य)उत्पन्न हुए. लोग कहते हैं कि ऋषि वसिष्ठ उसी कुंभ से जन्मे थे.”

FANATIC’S ANALYSIS:

Another bogus claim. When Vedas contain no history, it is in vain to discover historical persons in Vedas. By that logic, Nayak in Vedas refer to Zakir Naik and Rahman in Quran refers to Dayanand! Further, what happened to love for translation by Swami Dayanand? One can refer his translation and see that

Vasishtha refers to scholar

Mitra-Varun to bipolar forces (in this case Prana and Udana or exhalation and inhalation)

Urvashi – special knowledge

The first mantra states that those who attempt to control their breathing through Pranayam and pursue knowledge with full enthusiasm obtain extreme bliss. Second mantra states that first birth happens through parents. But one who takes second birth through education achieves true bliss and glory. In reality, there is not one single evidence so far that Vedas have anything except rationality, justice, morality and inspiring lessons for entire humankind. Vedas belong to entire humanity and hence all rational minds should explore Vedas to seek amazing lessons for life instead of hating them due to a general hatred against non-believers. Hatred leads to miseries. May we all revive the spirit of Vedas in entire humanity and strengthen our foundations.

MY RESPONSE:

Yaska Acharya writes on this verse,

Nirukta 5.13-14 ”Urvashi is (the name of) a naiad, (so called because) she pervades wide regions (uru + as- to pervade ‘), or she pervades by means of thighs [Sexual Intercourse] …On seeing her, the seminal fluid of Mitra and Varuna fell downO Vasistha,thou art certainly the son of Mitra and Varuna. Brahman, O Brahman, thou wert born from the mind of Urvasi. (Thou art) the drop that fellin divine fervour.”

Does it need any additional explanation? This shows how Mayavi (Vedic fraud) the writer is. He misinterpreted Vedic verses, Dayanand’s translation and commentary, and even Nirukta. But our Hindu brothers doesn’t seem to care about it, they only deliver compliments without even understanding what this guy wrote. I pray that this writer should become capable of digesting the truth, May his hypocrisy vanish so that he may understand the right path.

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